Mark at 23:38, 17 February 2016

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Mark at 00:41, 27 January 2010

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There are many problems with making a [[universality of consciousness existence theory]] work coherently.

Depending on how universality is stated its basic form is that you experience all the consciousnesses that exist or ever will exist. It is an over simplification of the concepts that are in the multiplicity theories of conscious existence.

First it does not appear to allow the ixperiencitness to vary. This is because it requires every consciousness to have the same ixperiencitness.

It does not allow that there can be enough difference between consciousnesses so that they are not versions of each other. But we know that there are vast differences between consciousnesses because there are vast differences between the physipath's [[S&F]]s that produce consciousnesses.

There is also the problem of conscious levels. Because for instance, a chimps consciousness is so different from our own can he really experience what we experience? Of course a higher level consciousness could contain all or part of the lower consciousness; meaning that a sufficiently higher level of consciousness can experience a lower level's consciousness. But a lower level consciousness would at best only experience parts of the higher level consciousness. The original universality assumption that you are and will experience all consciousness can not possibly apply to some lower level consciousnesses, It will be difficult to say that you experience the full aspect of a much higher level consciousness unless you are that higher level consciousness to begin with. The [[perspective argument for multiplicity]] might help but the [[object of the perspective]] would have to be all consciousness.

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 There are many problems with making a [[universality of consciousness existence theory]] work coherently.
-Depending on how universality is stated its basic form is that you experience all the consciousnesses that exist or ever will exist. It is an over simplification of the concepts that are in the multiplicity theories of conscious existence.
+Depending on how universality is stated its basic form is that you experience all the consciousnesses that exist or ever will exist. It is an over simplification of the concepts that are in the proposed [[multiplicity]] theories of conscious existence.
-First it does not appear to allow the ixperiencitness to vary. This is because it requires every consciousness to have the same ixperiencitness.
+First it does not appear to allow the ixperiencitness to vary. This is because it requires every consciousness to have the same [[ixperiencitness]].
-It does not allow that there can be enough difference between consciousnesses so that they are not versions of each other. But we know that there are vast differences between consciousnesses because there are vast differences between the physipath's [[S&F]]s  that produce consciousnesses.
+It does not allow that there can be enough difference between [[consciousness]]es so that they are not versions of each other. But we know that there are vast differences between consciousnesses because there are vast differences between the physipath's [[S&F]]s that produce consciousnesses.
-There is also the problem of conscious levels. Because for instance, a chimps consciousness is so different from our own can he really experience what we experience? Of course a higher level consciousness could contain all or part of the lower consciousness; meaning that a sufficiently  higher level of consciousness can experience a lower level's consciousness. But a lower level consciousness would at best only experience parts of the higher level consciousness. The original universality assumption that you are and will experience all consciousness can not  possibly apply to some lower level consciousnesses, It will be difficult to say that you experience the full aspect of a much higher level consciousness unless you are that higher level consciousness to begin with.  The [[perspective argument for multiplicity]] might help but the [[object of the perspective]] would have to be all consciousness.
+There is also the problem of conscious levels. Because for instance, a chimps consciousness is so different from our own, can he really experience what we humans experience? Of course a higher level consciousness could contain all or part of lower level consciousnesses; meaning that a sufficiently higher level of consciousness can experience a lower level's consciousness. But a lower level consciousness would at best only experience parts of the higher level consciousness. The original universality assumption that you are and will experience all consciousness can not  possibly apply to some lower level consciousnesses, It will be difficult to say that you experience the full aspect of a much higher level consciousness unless you are that higher level consciousness to begin with.  The [[perspective argument for multiplicity]] might help but the [[object of the perspective]] would have to be all consciousness.

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