Mark at 01:34, 12 February 2012

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=[[It's Only a Replica Argument]]=

:;<center>An argument that is used against [[multiplicity]], [[survival]], [[life after death]], and [[immortality]] is: It is only a replica not the real thing. [[Consciousness]] is not a thing, what produces consciousness is a thing. [[Structure and functioning]], [[consciousness]], and [[ixperiencitness]], of a body can be identical even if the bodies that produce them are not. In the same way that numbers, colors, sounds or other properties of matter can be identical even when the matter that produces them are not identical. If properties of matter could not be identical it would be an impossible world. </center>

[[File:Body.jpg‎|left|frame|The body produces [[consciousness]] and [[ixperiencitness]] by way of its [[structure and functioning]]]]
[[File:Clones7.jpg‎|right|frame|[[Clones]] are not [[cidentireplicas]], but they can be [[videntireplicas]] of each other with the same [[ixperiencitness]]es ]]

:;<center>An eternal state of oblivion, or lack of awareness, is believed by some to occur after death. This belief contradicts beliefs that there is an [[afterlife]], such as a heaven or hell, after death. The belief in eternal oblivion stems from the idea that the brain creates the mind; therefore, when the brain dies, the mind ceases to exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblivion_(eternal)</center>

:;<center> You have to be conscious to be aware of not being aware. This means that any amount of time can pass between conscious moments and it can seem like no time has passed at all. If the conscious moments contain a feeling of going back in time then you can be in the future any length of time and yet believe that you have gone back in time. </center>

[[File:Buddha.jpg‎|left|frame|The properties of a material object can be duplicated]]
[[File:Assemble line tvs 1.jpg‎|right|frame| The assemble line is used to duplicate objects as closely as desired or needed ]]

:;<center>[[Corliss Lamont]] defines immortality as: The literal survival of the individual human personality or consciousness for an indefinite period after [physical] death, with its memory and awareness of self-identity essentially intact. This is a specific kind of immortality but not the only kind. [[Awaretheory]] defines immortality as there never being a period of time where you cannot experience conscious existence again after death. Since there are numerous [[structures and functionings]] of matter that will produce a consciousness that you experience, until there is no possibility of them ever existing again you are immortal until that time. </center>

[[File:Experiments1.jpg‎|left|frame|Through science and technology [[life after death]] is possible to achieve and controlable]]
[[File:Movie theather.jpg‎|right|frame|Understanding life is like understanding a movie where you enter the theater in middle of the movie and leave a short time latter]]

:;<center>There are two fundamental positions on the question of [[immortality]]. The survival hypothesis asserts that the human personality will continue to exist in some form after the death of the physical body. The extinction hypothesis contends that the human personality will permanently extinguish after the death of the body. When conscious existence is not based on the body or a soul but the [[structure and functioning]] of the body (as [[awaretheory]] predicts), [[life after death]] is obtained when the right [[structures and functionings]] is, or are produced in any body at any time and place in the universe or multiverse.</center>

[[File:Duplication man.jpg‎|left|frame|There can be many different versions of each person existing at the same time with the same ixperiencitness]]
[[File:Day-dreaming.gif‎|right|frame| There many different wonderous types of [[survival]], [[life after death]], and [[immortality]] for each conscious being]]

:;<center>We do not ask to be born; and we do not ask to die. But born we are and die we must. We come into existence and we pass out of existence. And in neither case does high-handed fate await our ratification of its decree (Lamont).</center>

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/afterlife/
:;<center>The [[Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article "Afterlife" section 3]] gives reasons why replicas are not the same person as the [[original]]. But it does not give any reasons why [[cidentireplicas]] and [[videntireplicas]] cannot have the same [[consciousness]] and or [[ixperiencitness]] as the [[original]]. And that is the important question! If a cidentireplica or videntireplica has the same ixperiencitness as the [[original]] it is [[multiple survival for the original]] or [[life after death]] for the original if the original is dead. This result is based on materialistic science not supernatural ideas.</center>

[[File:Desert rock.jpg‎|left|frame| ? Is this picture identical to this picture-->
They are not made of the same matter.--> ]]
[[File:Desert rock.jpg‎|right|frame|<-- Is this picture identical to this picture?
They are not in the same place or always in the same time ]]

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[[Consciousness]] and [[ixperiencitness]] are like [[knowledge]] in that knowledge can exist in many places and times with many different organizations and combination of different matter in many different forms. Imagine if knowledge could only exist in a singular path through space and time made of only a specific grouping of matter.

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:;<center>An exact replica of an experience is still the experience. An exact replica of a consciousness over time is the same consciousness. You can have identity of properties without identity of matter, space, or time. The [[consciousness]] about something is not the thing itself. But the conscious perspective defines the thing. As the [[structure and functioning]] of the brain between [[itobodies]] changes so does the meaning of the object for that [[consciousness]] or conscious perspective</center>

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Mark at 01:34, 12 February 2012