CH59together

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Topics to be covered. What is the topic? The identity theory can bring us together. In reality it can bring a certain group together. It brings us together because of Itoimmortality. Itoimmortality can be controlled by us directly or superpaths of us.

We are also like other people and have the simiawarepath of other people so in a way we are other people or we are like the awarepath that are within a n awarevenue of ours. There will be the awarepath that can not get it together and will be against the theory. This theory has religious potential that has a tendency to tie together people.

If these ideas should ever be used as a religion hopefully it will not be a dogmatic religion. I do not think that it would have much potential if it did become dogmatic because there are to many complex problems that have to be solved that can not be in a dogmatic setting. this theory may in fact be just a theory on the path to a better theory that explains even more.

The problem with this theory is that there will be people that produce awarepaths that do not believe in this theory and do not believe in the pursuit of knowledge. There will be the awarepaths that do believe in this view and in the belief in the pursuit of knowledge and epistemological knowledge. What is epistemological knowledge? It is knowledge about knowledge and since we do not really know what is knowledge it has to be about all possible systems of knowledge. This does not mean that we have to give up on areas of knowledge like science it just means we need to spend more time studying other possible theories that explain a situation as well as a particular theory of science. The situation is that there is a continuum of theories and some have properties that are more useful at one thing and one is better at another thing. One theory may be easier to understand and another may be more predictive. another may be easier to work with and to build from and may be very predictive but a dead end. Mathematical tries to represent a theory of knowledge exactly mathematically but not necessarily only with the use of numbers but with other mathematical constructs like theocepts. One nice thing about mathematical is that it has the concept of a continuum where there can be change on many different planes and these changes can be as small as we wish.

The identity theory can bring us together.

The topic is a development of how this is possible. It will bring a certain set of awarepaths together toward certain goals. We can see a certain set of awarepath diverging toward this goal as they understand it better and another set that diverge away from these goals or ideas. Of course, there will be those awarepaths that do not like the ideas or do not think they will like them as a result will be opposed to them.

The identity theory can bring people together into a universal goal. The goal is the pursuit of knowledge, the asking why and the developing of answers that will be critically studied. The identity theory gives the basis for a nondogmatic religion based on science. Why have a non dogmatic religion based on science? Some people need (or think that they need ) religions, and it can serve to unite people into a goal and third, it can be the go between the religious masses and a scientific believing populace that does not believe in or need religion. If a god exists will he be for or against a religion that is based on open mindedness and the pursuit of knowledge? He would be for it because a good god has nothing to hide unless he is bad or bad in some ways. If god is bad or bad in some ways he is not the ultimate god because he is imperfect. He may even be the devil and we live under the influence of this devil. We thus need to find the real god and the way to do that is by way of the pursuit of knowledge.

If people believe that immortality and better lives are possible through the principles of the identity theory, they will be forced or have good reasons to work together for this goal. What will be necessary is that people work together to solve scientific problems. We will need to build the infrastructure that is necessary for supporting the scientific effort that is necessary. There is no time limits for this endeavor because the dead are not suffering and if recreated they will not have been aware of the past death. In our efforts we must realize that it will be through creative thought that many problems will be solved and that many new and creative structures of knowledge will be produced, so the study of how creative thought and how to inspire it will be important. I think that putting resources into basic research and creative processes will be very important for the advancement of knowledge.

For people that believe in god, they may believe that this pursuit of knowledge is against gods will, but it is the pursuit and obtainment of knowledge that is the highest form of good and worship for god because god is knowledge and to know knowledge is to know god and his will and design for man and the world. The judeo - christian muslin religions promise a better after life. This after life could be possible through the principles of the identity theory. We may have to make heaven and the after life ourselves. God makes it possible but the work we have to do ourselves. It is like flying, god made it possible for man to fly, but we had to use the knowledge that we gathered to build the aids for flight.

Religious beliefs might make a person feel better sometimes but science and the pursuit of knowledge can help people. Religions bind people to them by way of fear. Fear of a wrathful god, fear of a rejecting father figure god, fear of oblivion or worse eternal damnation and suffering. All that a man needs to do for the promised gains from a religion is donating money to the religion, doing a certain set of religious rituals, and the acceptance of a dogma with out ever questioning it.

We might be able to go so far as to say that the christian beliefs that upheaval the coming of god and the resurrection of past dead can happen because as we have the upheaval of science over religion the coming of god which is the coming of knowledge because of epistemology and science and man goal of that and then the resurrection of past people is the understanding of consciousness and the resurrection of past simipaths. The resurrections of simipaths rather than the resurrection of entire people has the advantage of incorporating past people into present people. When the bible talks about the resurrection of the meek, or the good or godly (the good or godly people will be those that pursue knowledge or help facilitate that pursuit) will inherit the earth it may be true because the people that we make replicas of will be the ones that have a value for knowledge purposes and because of our interest in them we will not replicate the destroyers of society especially not the ones that destroy the our ability to produce replicas or awarepaths. of course no matter what awarepath we produce if the sensepath is such it can produce someone that is against the identity theory. We need not believe that just because we use our energies to pursue knowledge that we will become the ultimate god, but we will come closer to the ultimate god. Thus we never need to lose our modesty when it comes to the knowledge that we have. The more knowledge that we know the more we will find out we do not know. Knowledge is like a theocept between any area. Within any size area can be kept an infinite amount of knowledge a larger amount than exists in the rest of the theocept.

 The people that we replicate can come into the new society or live in a society that they know -- like a fancy zoo. There is still a third possibility and that is for them to live in a world that is totally created by experience machines. If experience machines can ever be fully created then we can not ever know for certain, if our lives our within an experience machine. This corresponds to people going to heaven in the christian religion. 

If lives were created and lead within an experience machine then they could be studied much more carefully. What is the difference between and experience machine and reality? If the paths that are produced the same then there is no difference except in how that path effects the future of the universe or in a smaller context how it effects its world of ideas. A path within an experience machine can effect the outside world. An it could have major effects. One way that this is possible is the mentapath changes the theories about the external world. A mentapath created with in an experience machine could produce novel results that the experience machine and the operators of the machine never realized. People that are within experience machines could produce novel and useful ideas that could or have not produced out side of the experience machine. Or we might say that it produces a novel mentapath. There is another level and that is where the mentapath that is to be produced is exactly produced where no surprises are allowed or wanted. These are preplanned awarepaducers we can call these exactawarepaducer or exact awarepath producers. Why would we want to produce an exact awarepath or and awarepath exactly? I believe that understanding about every awarepath is important and some will be more important to know about than others.

There are all sorts of possibilities between the awarepath and its environment so there are all sorts of types of awarepaducers between the free and exact awarepaducers. There are many reasons for having the different kinds of awarepaducers I think that the solar system, galaxy, universe, could be full of awarepaducers some day. Why would we want this and would it be a good thing? People are awarepaducers. People can produce only limited awarepaths do to the structure of their nervous systems and the sensepaths that they process. There exists many more possibilities than just human awarepaths. What is more to solve problems that we have we need more advanced and different awarepaths and awarepaducers. they could exist on the earth or in the earth but why not out in space where there is nearly endless space and sources of energy around the stars?

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Exactawarepaducer, is and exact awarepath producer it does not allow for any differences in the awarepath that is produced

Exactmentapaducer, it produces or tries to produce an exact mentapath.

Exactphysipaducer, it produces or tries to produces an exact physipath.

Freeawarepaducer, the awarepath that is produced is not planned exactly there is free play in the awarepath that is produced. The environment or senpath producer does not know exactly where the awarepath is going. The environment is making calculations from the information that it can get about the physipath that produces the awarepath.

Freementapaducer, there is freedom in the resultant mentapath produced. and this freedom is planned.

Freephysipaducer, there is freedom is the resultant physipath produced, and this freedom in the physipath is planned.

Confreeawarepaducer, there is freedom in the resultant awarepath produced in one or more dimensions, concepts, or degrees.

Confreementapaducer, there is freedom in the resultant mentapath produced in one or more concepts, dimensions, or degrees.

Confreephysipaducer, A physipaducer that allows freedom in the differences in the physipaths produced.

Socitalawarepath, the sum of all the awarepaths that are currently produced by a society of awarepaducers