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Chapter 2 Ori/Citoprinciples
Principle of relativity of the original: relativity of the original principle Any person or other consciousness being can be considered or treated as the original. Even if they are a cidentireplica of the original that is produced later in time by different means and ways. This principle is a symmetry concept that allows us to change the perspective.
The I experience it test
The “I experience it” or (ixperiencit -- pronounced the same) test, is a test used to determine what consciousness belongs to the original and what consciousness belongs to another conscious being. It is a simple test. Simply stated do I the original experience this consciousness in question? If so it is my consciousness and if not it is someone else's consciousness. As you read this book you should be able to say that you are experiencing your consciousness meaning you are experiencing something. If not, you may have no clue what I am talking about because it is an intuitive concept. I am not saying that you have to be the one that experiencing existing in what appears to be your body. When I say that two consciousness are identical they also pass the Ixperiencit Test. If two consciousness are identical they have the same ixperiencit. For survival of death and immortality purposes, you do not have to have the same memories, personality, feelings, emotions, behavior etc, but you have to be experiencing what ever is there to experience, or be conscious of something. Bodies may vary, consciousness may vary, but if you do not experience anything ever again you have not survived death and are not immortal -- for you death is final. I admit the “I” in “I experience it” is not necessarily well defined objectively because it is part of a continuum, but can be intuitively -- subjectively understood like a point or line is in geometry. This is really the basis for care about one’s self. I can wake up and have no memories of a past but if I experience life from this point on I will still exist. This is what we want for life. If you do not experience it -- (something) you will not exist at that time, Your existence subjectively is dependent on you experiencing it. You simply would not be aware of life, the world, other people, anything, etc. if you did not experience or were conscious of them.
Ixperiencit principle
A consciousness is yours if you experience it. It does not have to have any particular mental aspect except that you experience it. On the other hand if you do not experience a consciousness it is not yours. You do not have to experience all consciousnesses that are yours from one current perspective to be your consciousness. This can be seen when we look at a person over time. He does not sense through or control his future or past body. A person only senses and controls one point in time in his life. Every other stage would seem like someone else from your current perspective. An example if you were to go back in time and observe some aspect of your life you would see a person that you could not control and you would not be sensing what he is sensing. Yet this person is you in the past. You are not experiencing what you did even a short time ago. The identireplica theory would not even need the ixperiencit concept except some people might say that someone has identical consciousnesses but they are still not the same person for survival of death or immortality purposes, but they are you if you experience it. They are you if they have an identical consciousness to yours.
If I experience it, it is survival for me. It does not have to be a continuation of any body, consciousness, person, or soul like property to be survival for me. How do I know that I am surviving right now it is because I am experiencing something now. The problem that thinkers have encountered is that for understanding survival, life after death, immortality etc. They tied it to the same body, consciousness, or soul, and then made the assumption of singularity of self. What is the proof of singularity of self? -- It is just so obvious that it is not even questioned that we might possibility be multiple and not singular. Replicas can not be you because there can not be two of you at the same time. There is nothing that says that a replica can not have the same ixperiencit as the original under the correct conditions. The real problem stems from the external perspective that makes a person seem singular and tied to the body. And from the fact that we see from one perspective and we think that everyone else sees from a different perspective because they are in a different place and or time thus a different sensepath. ?The soul has been developed to explain some aspects of dreams, out of body experiences and thoughts that seem to disconnect the self from the body. With this disconnection comes a seemly rational foundation for the desired ability to have a life after death and immortality.
EXPERIMENTS WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF ORIGINALS AND CIDENTIREPLICAS
A number of experiments that I will describe will have a general grouping structure of many possible closely related experiments. This means that many different possible experiments will be grouped together and called an experiment set because they relate to basically the same consciousness related concept. We will usually consider only one experiment per set. In this chapter we introduce a number of new words, each deals with a prediction, principle or property of originals and cidentireplicas. The first three letters of the word original -- “ori” will be the prefix for these terms ori prediction, oriprinciple and oriproperty. In the case of cidentireplicas we will use the prefix cito, from the letter c from cidentireplica and the letters i-t-o, since they are a consequence of the identireplica theory of consciousness. Together the letter “c” and “ito” make “cito” which is the prefix for these principles, predictions, and properties about cidentireplicas or citoprinciples, citopredictions, and citoproperties. The experiments dealing with originals in this chapter can be broken down into these categories: orispace, orimaterality, orimultiplicity, oritime, and a combination of the preceding concepts. The experiments dealing with cidentireplicas in this chapter can be broken down into these categories: citomaterality, citotime, citospace, citomultiplicity, and a combination of the preceding concepts. All the “Ori” experiments and principles apply to cidentireplicas when they are looked at as an original. Cito experiments and principles apply to the relation that the cidentireplica has to that of the original in terms of consciousness and the ixperiencit concept. Some ori principles might seem trivial but they are all included for uniformity and clarity
Types of theories two major groups Versions of multiple versus singular you theories and materialistic versus materilistic plus theories. A materilist theory is a natural scientific theory and a materilist plus theory is one where there are other supernatural factors like a soul. On the extreme side of is pure idealism where no matter at all exists we are just pure thought. Acronyms for different types of theories that we will compare differences to.
SST: Singular soul theories. Most religions are based on this. CST: Cyclic singular soul theories. Reincarnation hindu like religions SMT: Singular materialist theories. Most enlightened (secular) theory based on science and rationality but has a confused limited perspective on consciousness. NST: No soul -- no self theory there is consciousness but not unique soul or self. Budhism is in this catagory. This is the oppisite conclusion as MMT theories. This comes about as a result of the problems with SST and SMT theories. Consciousness is not any unique aspect tied to just one person so there is really no such thing as a unique self. MMT: Multiple materialist theory. There are differnt multiple materialist theories depending on which grouping of principles apply to a space, time or universe.
At he very least we are a version of a multiple theory becasue of the concepts of multiactual and multipotential. -- a multiple theory proof
SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
LMT: stands for the limited materialist theory BT: stand for the buddhist theory there really is no self this is the opposite of the multiple identity theory. MMIT: multiple materialist Identity theory MIMT: multiple Identity materialist theory
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Multi proof: There are two parts to the multi proof first that there is already multiprinciples that are true. And second we have a limited mental ability to see directly the other multiprinciples. We see the multiactual and multipotential better that the other animals do becasue of our greater intellegence or mental processing powers. Many animals live in the now -- the awaremoment ( the awaremoment with out awareness of the future or past ) never aware of a future or that there can be many differnt awaremoments . They respond now and have to live with the consequences with out ever being aware of the full range of these consequences they have and make limited choice -- that what we decide to do will effect what we will expereince. As they can not see the multiactual and multipotential as well
as we can we becasue of our limited mental capicities can not see all the other
multiprinicples easily either.
Discussion of Subtopics
Discussion: This subtopic
Question(s): This subtopic purposes questions
Definition: This subtopic defines the word.
Experiment set #: This subtopic shows what kind of experiments can be done imagined dealing with the questions, the topic and and how they can be acomplished.
Prediction(s)) /Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence: With out doing the actual experiments what can we provide as supporting evidence for this subject.
Principle of: This subtopic defines the principle
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: This subtopic Each principle produces a different kind of immortality.
Subjective example: This subtopic For something to be a case of survival for a conscious being that being has to experince it. This gives you an ideas of what this other person is actually expereincng through your eyes
Orimultiactual
The original is multiactual because he has different awaremoments versions of consciousness at differnt times. Our consciousness can see this multiactual nature of ourselves. Multiple different awaremoments through life. Individuality not singularity
Question(s):
Definition: Orimultiactual is the term for
Experiment set # Orimultiactual:
E. Type 1. To see that we do not have to expereince everything that we are all at once. Imagine making a time machine and traveling to the past and observing your self. You know that this person is you, you remember doing what he is doing. But you are not experiencing what he is expereincing. Not only can we imagine you viewing your past you can also imagine viewing your future self with out expereincing what your future self is expereincing there is also the multiple case where many points in your life come to view each other at the same time.
One might object that time machines are not possible for this very reason or that they are physically impossible. It does point out that what you are expereincing now is clearly differnt than what you will be or have expereinced.
E. Type 2. All consciousnesses can be tied together by a continuous body and a continuous consciousness -- the same person. The body changes through time, with the right external help a body with the same matter can be tranformend into any other person’s structure and functioning, one small step at a time. Thus any other person consciousness can be produced. The matter that a body uses in life can be recycled so a smaller person can be transformed by inot a larger person. This can be done in any sequence from person to person or from a point in one person life to any point in another person life.
Prediction(s)) /Difference in theories: BT:The buddhist theories see the multiactual nature of the self. Rather than accepting the multiplicity of self they get singularity in the end by saying that we become one with the singular universal consciousness for them we are not even one we are just a small part of the one.
Proof(s)/supporting evidence: It is self evident that people are multiactual consciousnesses. has to be multiactual or it is a repeat of the same awarepoint or awaremoment over and over again.
Principle of Orimultiactual: The original is multiactual. Consciousness beings are multiactual.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: With out this principle there is no conscious life like we know only the repeat of the same awaremoment over and over again with out knowing that there is repetion. All theories accept this.
Subjective example: You could be watched by a differnt awaresection (multi awaremoment) of your life reading this sentence. Or the converse you could be watching yourself while you read this sentence.
Citomultiactual
Discussion: A cidentireplica can also see that he is multiactual through time.
Question(s):
Definition: Citomultiactual is the term for
Experiment set #Citomultiactual:
Prediction(s))/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle of Citomultiactual: Cidentireplicas are multiactual.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: For any singular theory any cidentreplica that exist at the same time as the orignal does, is not a case of survival or immortality for the original. If the original dies because it was not before the death it is still not after the death.
Subjective example:
Orimultipotential
Question(s):
Definition: Oripotentiality is the concept that conditions in the future may come together to produce an idoriginal. There is the possibility that the originals awarepath can exist in the future. There are many possible future awarepaths for each original.
Experiment set #Orimultipotential:
Prediction(s))/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Introduce the concept of Imoriginal here? The Imoriginal establishes the oripotentiality for each original.
The Imoriginalvenue is a grouping of different imoriginals for each original. Imoriginal continuum is the continuum of all the imoriginals and imoriginalsvenues There are many different imoriginals for each original because each imoriginal can be sequenced in many different ways.
Principle of Orimultipotential: The original is multipotential. Consciousness beings are multipotential.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT: If you are a complete fatilist you believe that there is only one awarepath that you will expereince in your life. It does not matter what you decide to do, you have n o control what happens to you. But the other theories and MMT: say that profess says that nature, you, and other conscious beings can control which awarepath will be produced by the originals body
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
Citomultipotential
Question(s):
Definition: Citopotentiality is the concept that a cidentireplica of an original can exist in the future.
Experiment set #Citomultipotential:
Prediction(s))/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle of Citomultipotential: Cidentireplicas are multipotential. Citopotential cidentireplica is a cidentireplica that has the potential to exist even if it never does.
Citopotentiality For every original there is the potential for a functioning and structure that has these characteristics the consciousness can be tied to an awarepath of the original. Since there are many possible awarepaths that can be tied to any awarepoint.
Mentapotentiality a different physical functioning than the originals can produce consciousness. Proof there exists other physical bodies than an original and they produce consciousnesses.
There is not just one way to produce a particular cidentireplica one way is through convergence. A videntireplica can be manipulated to fine tune it into a cidentireplica We need the knowledge of what to do and how to do it can we have this knowledge
Any possible functioning and structure of a consciousness producing system has the potential of existing.
The concept of the essential physipath can be changed to include other factors than just functioning and structure, if it is scientifically found to be a factor effecting consciousness. Then the essential physipath could include modifications to the physipaths that awarepaducers or fidentireplica would create. “Essential” in terms of essential physipath means essential (necessary) to the production of a specific awarepath.
There can be material, physical, imaginary etc. factors that effect the awarepath produced by the physipath. The key is to find all the factors that can possibly effect the physipath but do not effect the awarepath. orinvarient or citoinvarient principles are ones that do not effect the awarepath produced.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: Singular theories do not deny that idoriginals or cidentireplicas can exist but that they will not be cases of survival for the original.
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
EXPERIMENTS CONCERNING ORISPACE
Orilocationality
Question(s): Does the location that the original is at effect the awarepath and ixperiencit of the original if the structure and functioning of the originals body stays the same?
Definition: Orilocationality is the scientific term that deals with the how change in location effects consciousness in the original.
Experiment set #2.1a Orilocationality Cover change of place, any distance, and or orientation for the original.
There are two types of experiments first the chagne in distance and the second is chagne in orientiation
This experiment set deals with what happens to the consciousness of the original if it were in a different place or orientation keeping functioning and structure of the body the same. Normally most changes in orientation or location will produce a difference in the sensepath and thus a difference in the functioning and structure of a body so there will be a difference in the consciousness produced. This is because your placement and orientation changes your perspective on objects which changes the way the nerves in the senses respond to this new perspective. The nerves are consequently functioning differently and your body is producing a different consciousness.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories: This theory predicts that in this universe, with our current physical laws, keeping structure and functioning of the body the same, any original in a different place and or orientation will produce the same consciousness. The key is the functioning and structure staying the same. If because of the change in orientation or position there is a large enough difference in the functioning or structure of the original there will be a difference in consciousness produced.
Principle of Orilocationality: If in a change in location the neuropath stays the same the awarepath stays the same.
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT:Since our orintation and position in space is changing continuosly, these theories do not think that ths will effect the continuing survival of the original.
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you were in a different place or orientation and the structure and functioning of your body was the same as it would have been with out the change, your body would still produce the same consciousness. It would seem to you, the original, subjectively, that you were in the same place and orientation. If you noticed a difference in place or orientation your brain would be functioning differently.
EXPERIMENTS CONCERNING CITOSPACE
Citolocationality
Question(s):
Definition: Citolocationality is the scientific term for
Experiment set #2.1c Citolocationality Cover change of place any distance and or orientation for the cidentireplica.
The second rational experiment dealing with cidentireplicas asks this question “Should the relative direction and amount of distance between the original and the cidentireplica have an effect on their respective behavior, appearance, and mind or consciousness?”. This experiment is the same as the first but in this experiment the variables are the relative direction and distance between the original and the cidentireplica. The experiment can be repeated over and over with increasing distance between the original and the cidentireplica. We can also change the relative position (Citorientation) of the cidentireplica in relation to the original as in to the right, left, top, bottom, front, back or up side down. This is truly a large possible set of different experiments with one basic concept tieing them together; that of change in space, orientation, distance, or location between the original and cidentireplica. Since space might be infinite, there could be an infinite amount of possible experiments checking to see if in every space a cidentireplica will have the same identical consciousness as does its original. Of course, each experiment only proves or disproves the identireplica theory for one original. And only during the time of the experiment. However, this limiting factor is true for nearly all scientific experiments. Take for example, mixing vinegar with baking soda, the out come is intense bubbling of carbon dioxide. To the joy of children this happens every time. The science of chemistry (based on chemical theory) tells us, if given the equivalent conditions, this will happen every time. But, in reality, no matter how good our theories are, and no matter how many times we have done an experiment, there is no guarantee that the next time we do an experiment the results will be the same! (there may be an unknown physical factor that keeps this chemical reaction from happening) Without rationalistic simplifying structures, an experiment only tells us what may have happened at a certain time at a certain place. Rationalizations or theories, extrapolate experiments to generalizations. This allows us to predict the out come of our actions, and events in the universe better. Scientists generally used to believe that if the out come of an experiment was different than expected by a well developed scientific theory, there was some unseen underlying cause producing the difference that needed to be included in the theory. With the advent of quantum theory this belief has come under attack. Quantum theory is based on the principle that quantum events can occur randomly with a probabilistic nature. So strange (unpredicted by the scientific theory) results from an experiment can occur (apparently) noncausally (with out an apparent cause). The identireplica theory of consciousness is not the scientific theory exception to these strange concepts (rules or laws) if they actually exist because some scientists question aspects of Qm. There are many things that we do not know about the universe. The things that we do not know about we can not speculate on effectively. If the laws that govern the universe are relatively uniform and like they are here, then the predicted results of the second experiment will be that the cidentireplica should look, behave, and have the identical mind and consciousness as does the original, no matter how far apart they are, or in what direction or positional orientation (Citorientation). What this means is that there may be many places in the universe that a cidentireplica or idoriginal of a person could exist. It does not have to be in the same room or in the same building as the original. In fact, it could be in another country or on a different planet, in a different solar system, in a different galaxy, or even in a different universe.
Principle The 10th prediction dealing with consciousness is called “The Principle of Citolocationality of a specific consciousness. There exists places in the universe where cidentireplicas could exist. Where they exist they will have the same identical consciousness that the original does. We can say that cidentireplicas are citospacial, citolocational, and citorientational. Assuming normal circumstances, and that the original could or would have that consciousness when he is in that place, anywhere in the universe that a cidentireplica can or does exist, it will have the exact same consciousness and /or mind as the original. Since much of our universe appears to have the same physical and logical laws as we have here, it would appear that cidentireplicas can exist in many different places through out the universe. In fact, any where the original could exist.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST: CST: NST: SMT: Not a case of survival or type of immortality for the original. MMT: The cidentireplica is a case of survival and type of immortality for the orginal.
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: What does this mean subjectively? This means that any where you can exist there can be a cidentireplica of you that has your consciousness -- that is you consciously. What would this cidentireplica of you experience, think, feel, and remember? He would think that he was you here on earth doing exactly what you are doing with the same experiences, and memories, emotions, etc. that you have. He would not think that he was some one else or living some place else. He would not think that he was a cidentireplica unless you thought you were a cidentireplica. Since at this moment you are reading this book thinking (hopefully) about these ideas, this very moment the cidentireplica of yourself would be reading (at least experiencing that he is reading) this book thinking about these ideas in exactly the same way as you are. This cidentireplica would be called a citolocational cidentireplica. The place that could contain an original, idoriginal, or cidentireplica, is called an citospace. Universes that contain citospaces are called citospacial universes. We can say that the cidentireplica has the same ixperiencit as you. You actually experience what the cidentireplica does. It is a myth that a consciousness is necessarily physically singular. The cidentireplica is a different person than the original. So you, the original, or you the cidentireplica can know exactly what another person is feeling, thinking, etc.
Orispace: multiplicity
Orimultiplicity
Discussion: This topic deals with idoriginals
Question(s):
Definition:
Experiment set #2.2a Orimultiplicity More than one idoriginal,
Prediction(s)/Differences in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle of Orimultiplicity: is essentially the same as Citomultiplicity. There can be many originals at the same time in different parts of space. In this case we call them idoriginals rather than cidentireplicas because they are identical originals produced in the same way as the original is created.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
Citospace: multiplicity
Citomultiplicity
Question(s):
Definition:
Experiment set #2.2c Citomultiplicity (E2.2c) More than one cidentireplica,
So far we have been discussing the existence of one cidentireplica and one original. The next logical step are experiments dealing with the possible existence of more than one cidentireplica of an original. If there are many different places that a cidentireplica could exist, then there is the possibility that one could exist in more than one of these many places. If one cidentireplica of a person can exist, then more than one cidentireplica of a person could also exist. If the laws of nature allow for more than one cidentireplica of a person to exist then, the relationship in terms of identical consciousness that exist between the cidentireplica and the original can also exist between the original and any number of other cidentireplicas. Subjectively this means that there could be any number of beings (persons) that are cidentireplicas of you with your exact same consciousness and ixperiencit. These other people will think that they are you and have all the same emotions, feelings, ideas, memories etc. that you do. They will think that they are on earth in the 21st century. They will not be any more aware of other cidentireplicas of the original or the original than you are. There will be no mystical connection between the different cidentireplicas or the original, nor a special feeling of being a cidentireplica or an original. So you would never know unless you were told or had some other experience of their existence, that you were an original, cidentireplica, or idoriginal. Of course, they would have to know at the same time in their life or you would not continue to be a cidentireplica of them or they of you.
Prediction(s)/Differences in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle #2.2c Citomultiplicity (P2.2c): The principle of multiple identical consciousness in space.
There can exist any number of cidentireplicas at the same time of an original. A cidentireplica that has this property is a citomultiple cidentireplica. However, the possibility of their existence does not mean that they in fact do exist. Every where that an original could exist there could be a idoriginal or cidentireplica. If this principle applies to this universe or parts of it, it is a citomultiple universe. A citomultiple universe does not have to have a single cidentireplica to be a citomultiple universe. It only needs to have the ability to have citomultiple cidentireplicas in it. It does not mean that it (the universe) has to have the ability to make cidentireplicas in its course of development. What it means is that no matter how they come exist in that universe, they will all have an identical consciousness and ixperiencit to that of its original. How, might you ask, would a universe that can not produce cidentireplicas have cidentireplicas? And the follow up question; If a universe can not create cidentireplicas what difference does it make if it can have them? To explain this we need a definition of universe. Astronomers are developing theories about universes, speculating that there can be many of them. The properties of these universes or their gravity fields make them a complete unit (supposedly). Somewhat equivalent to the earth, no matter how far you walk or ride a boat in any direction you will always be on the earth. But that does not mean that there is not something out side of the earth. In the same way what ever direction you travel in this universe in a normal spaceship you will still be in this universe. It will take something beyond a normal spaceship to travel between universes. The concept of many universes existing is not new. Nor are the concepts of them having different properties between them, new. So where one universe can not produce cidentireplicas another universe might. Travel between the two universes might be possible allowing a cidentireplica to be created in one universe and existing in another. How might one universe be able to create cidentireplicas and another not? A universe that has the ability to create an original randomly might have also randomly created a cidentireplica of that original. The original in one universe might be the cidentireplica in another universe or visa versa. It takes several things to make a cidentireplica non randomly. It takes knowledge, purpose, and the ability to manipulate matter in certain ways. Humans might have the desire (purpose) to create cidentireplicas but we do not have the knowledge and ability, presently, to create cidentireplicas. We might never have this ability because we never become advanced enough and/ or, the laws that govern this universe might not allow for this ability. But this does not mean that in another universe intelligent life forms are not or will not be advanced enough to do this task. What kind of universe could not have the possibility of having cidentireplicas? First, if an original can not exist in this universe then a cidentireplica probably would not be able to exist either. Second, if a universe has the quality of uniqueness of a particular functioning then only one path of functioning is allowed. So no cidentireplicas could exist because it would break the physical law of uniqueness of functioning. The universe that we are in does not seem to have this quality because chemical reactions seem to repeat when ever the conditions are right. The body’s functioning and consequently consciousness is based on the repetition of these chemical reactions. A third possibility is that of complexity. A universe has to have enough complexity to generate an original. There has to be complexity of functioning and structure over extended periods of time. Our universe seems to have the ability to create this type of complexity.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST: CST: NST: SMT: NCS: -- means not a case of survival or type of immortality. MMT: Called Citomultiple survival or immortality
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
Orimultireplication
Discussion: When you multireplicate an original you have a cidentireplica, Unless the replication comes because of division of the original. And there is no clear cut way of deciding one over the other
Question(s): What effect does the process of division have on the resulting multiple original’s awarepath and ixpereincit?
Definition: Orimultireplication is the term that deal with the creation of multiple originals when there is no clear cut way of determing if one is more deserving of being the original than the others.
Experiment set #2.9c Orimultireplication: Types of division Into one or more of equal porportions of matter
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories: This is simple for the MMT. If structure and functioning is identical they all have the same to be called the original they will have the same consciousness knowledge abilities think that they are the original. For SST: CST: NST: where the soul goes so goes the original. The problem is that we know nothing about the soul. Thus there is no way to know and no way to predict which division has the soul and which is either soulless or has a new soul. This is inspite of thinking that all of the divisions actually think they are the original. SMT does not fare any better because this theory does not even have the soul rule. It could use the arbitary 50% matter rule, or the more arbitary speed of assimulation rule or the theory saving “when in doubt it aint you rule”
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle of Orimultireplication:
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT: NCS. MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
SST, CST, NST, SMT: NCS. MMT:
Citospace: multireplication
Citomultireplication
Question(s):
Definition:
Experiment set #2.3c Citomultireplication: Cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas.
Cidentireplicas have the property of citomultireplication. It can be explained as follows. We can consider experiments concerning cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas. For example, if there existed a cidentireplica(2) of an original(1) and a cidentireplica(3) using cidentireplica(2) as its original, what would the relationship between the cidentireplica(3) and cidentireplica(2) be? By definition cidentireplica(3) is a exact functioning copy or cidentireplica of cidentireplica(2) thus the two cidentireplicas (2) and (3) will have the same personality, behavior, memories, etc. In other words mind and, or consciousness. The relationship will be the same as between an original and the first cidentireplica. What will be the relationship between the original(1) and the cidentireplica(3)? They will have the same consciousness etc.. What if there were two cidentireplicas of the original what will their relationship be? They will have the same consciousness. Any number of cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas, or cidentireplicas of the originals will always have the same behavior, personality, consciousness, and ixperiencit. Would a cidentireplica be aware of being a cidentireplica? A cidentireplica would not be aware of being a cidentireplica if the original was not aware of being a cidentireplica. This is because the cidentireplica and the original have exactly the same consciousness. Would any cidentireplica be aware of there existing other cidentireplicas? Not unless all of them were aware. If one had a different consciousness (that of being aware of being a cidentireplica), his brain would be functioning differently, consequently, he would not be a cidentireplica of the other cidentireplicas or the original. There is no mystical or strange connection between the identical consciousness simply because they are identical. There may be many other factors involved where there is some kind of connection between them, but when this happens there will usually be a change between them so they are no longer cidentireplicas of each other. They would have to have an awareness of what the group is, and then be aware of a difference in themselves from that group. That difference then makes them no longer cidentireplicas. Cidentireplicas can not have meaningful conversations with themselves because the minute that the cidentireplicas respond differently they are no longer cidentireplicas of each other. Different behavior implies different physical functioning. The experiments dealing with citomultireplication will be checking if replications of replications: cidentireplicas of cidentireplicas will still have identical consciousness experimentally to each other and to the original.
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Principle #2.3c Citomultireplication, Principle of multiple replication of cidentireplicas. Cidentireplicas of each other will always have identical consciousness to each other and to the original. Ideally any number of cidentireplicas could exist that a particular universe can support. As many cidentireplicas can exist, at one time, of an original, as there exists spots that the original can exist in, and made from any cidentireplica originating from this template original.
A cidentireplica can be distinguished in space through indicae(s). In a well defined three dimensional universe each point can be defined in terms of three numbers (x,y,z,) each point will correspond to a different set of numbers. Since the earth is constantly moving there will be a function that defines the place per time that the original or cidentireplica exists through. We can also define a large volume in time that a cidentireplica will exist in rather than a specific point function.
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Transuniversal Orimultireplication
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Definition: Transuniversal Orimultireplication
Experiment set #2.9c Transuniversal Orimultireplication:
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Transuniversal Citomultireplication
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Experiment set #2.4c Transuniversal Citomultireplication
This “universe” was supposed to be the term for everything, but with greater understanding of astronomy we can imagine universes out side of this universe where there are different physical laws and physical constants-- where things can be very different than they are in this universe. On the earth there is a force from gravity. At different places on the earth this force changes but relatively slightly. Different places in our universe will have different forces due to gravity. In an analogous way different universes may have different speeds of light, a different value of pi. Etc. These changes to physical laws may make life impossible and consciousness inconceivable. We do not know what we might find in other universes. There is no guarantee that even in this universe all the physical laws are the same every where or at all times. If we assume that there are universes outside of this one, we can ask the question of what will happen when a cidentireplica of an original in this universe is created in another universe? Going between universes to test what will happen is beyond or present abilities like asking a cave man to go to the moon. And this is a most positive sense because going to the moon was possible for man, going between universes may not be possible ever, for a physical body. Under the best circumstances identical functioning and structure will produce identical consciousness. The best choice for physical laws that will produce consciousness like ours, in another universe, are the physical laws that we have in our universe. But this is not to say that other universes with different laws would not allow consciousnesses, and identical ones to exist, that exist in this universe. It just might take a different mapping of structure and functioning in one universe to that of the other universe. Or it could be so entirely different that no finite physical mapping will work. In other words there is or can be no physical mapping between the physical functioning and structure in our universe that produces a specific consciousness and the physical functioning in a different universe that produces the same consciousness. In this different type of universe there may exist the consciousnesses that exists in our universe but they may not correspond to physical functioning in this universe at all. Another kind of universe, is where there exists no consciousnesses or they are, relative to our universe, very rare in potential. === If in a different universe identical functioning will produce identical consciousness we have a property that we call transuniversal citomultireplication. If a universe can produce identical consciousness but the functioning has to be modified or mapped to produce this identical consciousness it is called modified transuniversal citomultireplication. If a universe, using any possible modification of structure and functioning can still not produce a particular consciousness it is called cito-non-modifiable universe. If a universe can not produce any consciousness at all it is called a nonconscious universe. The importance of the concept of different universes can be applied to this universe if parts of this universe are controlled by different physical laws.
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Principle 2.4c Trans Universal Citomultireplication If there are other universes or parts of this universe that have different physical laws, identical functioning and structure may not produce identical consciousness. But in other universes that have identical physical laws and qualities that our universe has like enough space, and time, proper temp, etc., where identical functioning and structure does exist, identical consciousness will be produced in a cidentireplica. In a universe that has different physical laws if there exists functional and structure mappings that connect one consciousness to a structure physical and then identical consciousness can also exist in this universe.
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Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you were a cidentireplica within this universe or within another, where physical laws and other conditions are the same as where the original exists, you will have identical consciousness to the originals. Your consciousness may exist where the physical laws and conditions are different than on earth. This is because in a different universe different structures and functionings might produce the same consciousness. The structure and functioning is different because the physical laws are different. The key to know if another universe can have consciousness is it ability to have knowledge. If no physical structure can exist where the parts communicate with (talk to) each other or correspond to knowledge there may not be any consciousness.
Experiments concerning Orimateriality and Citomateriality
In the previous experiments we dealt with changes in space and how it affects consciousness. Now we are dealing with experiments of how the change in matter and energy effect consciousness.
Orinterchangeability
Question(s): How does interchanging identical functioning atoms or other identically functioning parts in the original’s physipath effect the awarepath and ixpereincit produced.
Definition: Orinterchangeability is the term for switching matter within the original.
Experiment set #2.5a Orinterchangeability: In this experiment we imagine interchanging sub atomic particles, atoms molecules, etc. within the original yet keeping structure and functioning identical and observe what happens with the corresponding consciousness. The identireplica theory predicts that the original will still have the identical consciousness as long as the functioning and structure stays the same. An example of this is if we take a carbon atom from the foot and interchange it with one in the ear, will the resulting consciousness produced by this person be different? Or a calcium atom from the knee and exchange it with one in the brain? With one atom the effect on consciousness even if it did effect consciousness would be unnoticeable. There are a very large amount of atoms in the body and even larger amount of permutations of switching them. If we take the extreme position of exchanging every possible subatomic particle so every atom is in a different place and the subatomic particles within the atoms are changed, will we have a different consciousness produced when the functioning and structure is the same? If the switching atoms functions in the same way the identireplica theory predicts that the consciousnesses will be identical. One of the proofs of this is that there are more permutations of matter interchanging than there is differences in consciousnesses. If the switching of one atom created a different consciousness, the amount of permutations of interchanging one atom of the same element with any other atom of the same element in the body is enormous. If we consider the switching of protons, electrons and neutrons etc within the body we have again greatly increased the possible permutations again. The switching of two atoms is going to be an even larger number.One can argue that the switching of a small number of atoms in the brain does change consciousness but to such a small extent that there will be no noticeable difference in consciousness. But if we consider the case where we exchange 1000000000000000000000 atoms in the body we should see a difference in consciousness if there is going to be any. Subjectively this means that there are vast amounts of different permutations of switching matter within an originals body that will produce (would have produced) the same structure and functioning and consequently the same consciousness. With any one of these different permutations of arrangements of matter in your body the same identical consciousness (you) will be produced. This is not hard to believe because most people do not connect their unique bodies (and mentality) to a specific placement/arrangement of each specific bit of matter and energy. Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
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Principle # 2.5a Orinterchangability Matter within the original could have been interchanged with different matter within the original and as long as the structure and functioning remain the same, the original will still have identical consciousness that it would have had other wise (with out the switching).
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Citointerchangeability
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Experiment set #2.5c Citointerchangeability
Because of the principle of relativity of the original, the principle of Orinterchangability applies to the idoriginal and cidentireplica also.
If we take an original and a cidentireplica of this original and exchange parts in such a way that they continue to have the same structure, and function identically they continue will to produce the same consciousness? We can imagine exchanging an atom to exchanging the entire nervous system in any number of different sequences in experiments.
Between cidentireplicas, idoriginals, and originals, parts can be interchanged and the same consciousness will be produced when the structure and functioning continues to be identical. Any interchange that will produce identical structure and functioning will produce identical consciousness. So if we take two cidentireplicas of each other and interchange parts (neurons , etc.) of one of the cidentireplicas, as long as the functioning stays the same, the consciousness will stay the same.
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Principle # Citointerchangeability: If any size parts of an original and any of its cidentireplicas and idoriginals are interchanged and no difference in structure and functioning occurs identical consciousness will continue to be produced.
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Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If we have a cidentireplica of you and we start interchanging parts between you and the cidentireplica as long as the functioning and structure stays the same the consciousness will stay the same. If the brain of one of your cidentireplicas was interchanged with you the original as long as they functioned identically they will be producing the same consciousness. You the original would experience, if the switch was perfect, nothing different or unusual in your consciousness even though you now have a different brain, the brain of one your cidentireplica’s. Of course the reverse is true also the cidentireplica would not experience anything different either.
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Orireplacability
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Experiment set #2.6a Orireplacability:
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Principle of Orireplacability: The principle of orireplacability is that matter and energy can be replaced with matter and energy out side of the body and if the same structure and functioning was maintained then the same consciousness will be produced. The same argument as above can be given for this but here there is a lot more matter to interchange outside of the body than within it. In this case, in fact, all the matter in the universe, in the right proportions, and composition, of course.
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Citoreplacability
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Experiment set #2.6c Citoreplacability: In this experiment we find neurons from other sources than from originals or cidentireplicas that have the same structure and will function exactly like the originals and we use them to replace neurons in the cidentireplica. Will the non changed original and the modified cidentireplica have the same consciousness? As long as they have identical structure and functioning they will be producing the identical consciousness.
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Principle # Citoreplacability. Where one or more sub systems (from an subatomic particle to a body part) is replaced in the body of a cidentireplica, if the structure and functioning stays the same the consciousness stays the same.
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Subjective (ixperiencit) example: Replacement of parts of the cidentireplicas with parts that have the same structure function identically will still produce the identical consciousness to that of the original. Your consciousness will be no different than other non modified cidentireplicas or the original. Although you are this modified cidentireplica you will still think you are reading this book. Just exactly like you the original is experiencing. If the original died you would still be reading this book, your consciousness being produced by this modified cidentireplica.
Orimateriality
Question(s): Can matter produce many different ixperiencits and consciousneses/ awarepaths?
Definition: Orimateriality is the concept that the matter that makes up the original can be the same matter that is used to create an infinite amount of different physipaths.
Experiment set#2.7a Orimateriality (Invariance of matter variance of consciousness) Not all the structures and functionings that this matter can produce will be close to the awarepath of the original. It may be that it does not contain the same ixperiencit.
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Principle #2.7a Orimateriality The particular matter that makes up the person during a certain consciousness period is not the only matter that will produce that particular consciousness. The original could have been made of different matter and energy and if the structure and functioning stays the same the consciousness will stay the same. The matter in any original can be used to produce any other consciousness and ixperiencit.
Proof(s)/supporting evidence: The matter in the body is in a constantly changing state it can be formed into many different structures and can function in many different ways, thus it can produce many different physipaths. Different physipaths produce different awarepaths. The same matter can produce many different awarepaths and consequently all ixperiencits that can be produced with that amount and combination of matter.
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Subjective (ixperiencit) example:The same matter that made up a conscious person in the past could be the same matter that you are currently made of. The matter that you are made of now can solely produce other physipaths and consequently awarepaths in the future.
Concept of assimilation of matter: Some philosophers have purposed that matter has some unidentified property that it has to be assimilated into a person over a period of time; They say if you replace that matter in a person to fast it will not be the same person. One of the reasons is to support the concept of singularity rather than multiplicity of self. They feel that singularity is so self evident that there has to be some property of matter that assures it. There has never been any such property of matter found by scientists. The reason that philosophers are confused is that when we eat matter it takes a while for it to change form and be integrated into the structure and functioning that is happening in the body. It is a limitation imposed by chemistry of the body not one imposed by matter itself. If it could be instantaneously integrated into the structure and functioning of the body there will still be the same consciousness/ ixperiencit produced.
Citomateriality
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Definition: Citomateriality the matter that produces original and cidentireplicas is interchangeable with the matter that produces any other .
Experiment set#2.7c Citomateriality
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Principles of Citomateriality
1.The same matter can produce an extremely large amount different physipaths and consequently awarepaths.
2. The same matter can produce many radically different awarepaths.
3. The same matter plus any needed additional matter can be used to make any physipath, and thus it corresponding awarepath.
This shows that matter is not tied to a specific consciousness but to any consciousness that it happens to be producing. If this is not the case then we have the situation where matter will produce no consciousness at all, if not a specific consciousness. But this is not true because the matter in a person is always changing. Being replaced being interchanged etc.
Citomateriality is the concept that deals with how matter effects consciousness. Producing identical consciousnesses is not dependent on a particular piece of matter and /or energy. A cidentireplica can be made of different types of matter and energy as long as the relative functioning and structure stays the same. What proof? We can prove behavior from identical functioning. If we were to replace neurons in the brain with artificial neurons that have the same identical effect on the functioning of the brain that the original neurons did, we would have identical behavior and consciousness with out identical structure. The identical effect, of the artificial neuron, would only need to exist long enough to produce that identical consciousness for that required period of time. For a person, if a neuron was replaced by an artificial neuron, the artificial neuron would only need to functioning identically for the life of the person not for ever. Maybe the artificial neuron diverges after a month but if this is the end of the life of the person it does not matter for that month period of time the identical consciousness was produced. We can use a proof from videntireplicas--taking any grouping of matter we can adjust the functioning so that the consciousness produced becomes closer and closer to the desired consciousness either there is a limit to how close the produced consciousness will come to the desired consciousness or it becomes identical.
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