Experiments of fidentireplic 10

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Experiments dealing with fidentireplicas

The major question will be what will be the consciousness produced from the different types of fidentireplicas? If the structure and functioning of the nervous system produces consciousness what modifications can we apply to this functioning to keep the same consciousness?

Experiments of dividing the nervous system. 1. Dividing the nervous system from the body keeping the nervous system structure and functioning the same

We can imagine many experiments of dividing the nervous system. System functioning as if neuron is connected. One neuron functioning at a distance system functioning as if neuron is connected. System functioning as if neurons are connected. No neurons at a distance. Several neurons functioning at a distance, system functioning as if neuron is connected.

synchronous firing of the neurons synchronous firing of the neurons with time delay for distance

Change in distance

Time effect of time Non synchronous firing of the neurons

Deliberate creation of fidentireplica

Random creation of the nerves firing or fidentireplica In this scinerio there is no comunication there is no preconception on the exact functioning what happens is numerous random nerpaths are created so many that an actual fidentireplica will be created. What will be the consciousness produced if any? If none is produced why not? If it is different then why is it different? Will the randomness of production make a difference compared to the situations of comunication or preknowldge

We can also have the situation of any combination of the six comunication space, comunication time, preknowledge, designed randomness, natural randomness, and transformational representation.

1. Comunication space

2. Comunication time

3. Preknowledge

4. Natural randomness is the functioning of the neurons in animals like man etc.

5. Designed randomness is where a number of

6. Transformational representation a different type of functioning that produces the same consciousness when together. Like light based electron based etc as in electron or light circuits rather than neurons based.

Section paths the functioning of a section of the nervous system like half of the brain or a cube of the brain or any shaped section. Secphysipath secmentapath secawarepath

nerpaths the functioning of the neuron or complete grouping of neurons nerphysipath nermentapath

What can be the results?

1. We could say that no fidentireplica can produce the consciousness of the original. 2. We can then ask does it produce any consciousness? 3. Some of the experiments will produce consciousness.

We can take a part of a brain and stimulate it to function as if it were part of the whole brain but the rest of the brain would be missing. What would be the consciousness produced. The behavior will be identical if the nerves were connected to the muscles or if the muscles were stimulated as if they were connected to the muscles.

Split brain experiment we take one brain and split it down the middle along the corpus callosum. We separate the brains but stimulate the two halves of the brain as if it were connected what will be the consciousness produced will it be the same as the original? It would seem that they would produce the same consciousness. In this case the knowledge is there. Where is the consciousness localized? It does not have to be localized. We can take the same experiment and know ahead of time the functioning that will occur. Then separate the halves of the brain will they then produce the same consciousness? Any distance ? We no longer have to be with in communication range. What happens when they are out of time synchronization a small amount? A second before or a second after the other. Will there be consciousness will it be identical to the original? Why will it be the same why will it be different?

If two pieces then four 16 etc. Break it down into individual neurons functioning identically to that of the original’s neurons.

If they are divided and they have the same identical consciousness

Can a neuron be part of different consciousnesses Can a certain neurons functioning be part of different consciousnesses? Can the exact same functioning of a certain neuron be part of several different consciousnesses?

If a divided functioning of neurons produces a consciousness it does not have to be identical to the originals any neurons in the region can be part of any consciousness that it fits into

Can one neuron be part of but one consciousness? Which one and what decides which one? It seems like it is not the neuron but the effect of the neuron.

There is the aspect of complexity of functioning. How exact does a neuron have to behave to generate the same functioning in the rest of the system. If the same functioning is created in the rest of the system.

If we take all the functioning neurons in the universe or a specified space can different grouping of the neurons produce a fractaphysipath If a fractaphysipath then a fractawarepath? This fractaphysipath will control as a whole nothing. Is it (the neurons) so specific in functioning that it could never happen? Can the functioning of a neuron have more than one meaning? Can the same nerve functioning connected up in a different way produce a different meaning? If the neuron is connected into a different brain structure will it convey a different meaning.

If the neuron have to be connected to produce a specific consciousness, why do they have to be together what is this property of togetherness? Having a real effect? In all these fidentireplicas the behavior of the organism will be identical to the original. How is this possible especially in the case where there is no external body to observe the behavior?

We can imagine a situation where there are two different brains that share a portion of functioning. If the section of functioning has different meaning in the two originals will this one section have the required functioning for the two brains to produce the consciousness? Who will be the controlling factor for the this region in question? Both will be controlling it. If both are controlling then there will be twice as many synapse effecting and leaving it. What if the signals are combined before and after

Could it be the simple act of doubling the synapses be the cause of the double consciousness produced?

What about layers of processing of the neurons? The increasing amount of nerve layers of processing could be creating more and more complex concepts. For example from light to boundaries to form and shape to a car to your red sports car in the front drive way. To it being ruined by your son before it happens through intuition

What about the case where the nerve connections are combined before they effect the neuron

Can one nerphysipath have (produce) more than one nerawarepath?

What if we consider the case where the nerphysipath is the nerawarepath. It does not produce it. It is it? How does this effect the identity theory? Is asking the question will identical nerphysipath produce the same consciousness the same as asking if two identical nerawarepaths are identical. But we do have a difference in place and time material used etc. Like in calculus we can approach identity like a limit. So we can imagine approaching physical identity and ask what about mental identity. May be we should not even call it mental identity maybe we should call it identical computations. Can we combine the concept of knowledge to that of computation. Computation is making a decision. Knowledge is knowing what decision to make How does the nerve know what decision to make? Its state and its input. The nerve in its knowledge can not go outside of its structure for a computation or the projection of knowledge. Within its structure it is bound to certain outputs its outputs have a cumulative effect for instance making other neurons easier to stimulate.

If the functioning of neurons is consciousness and does not produce consciousness how does this effect these ideas. Will the neuron functioning at a distance be part of the consciousness

We have the situation where we take a system and start removing neurons but the rest of the system functions identically to the original system as if the neurons were still functioning identically to the original. We assume that a few removed neurons will not effect the consciousness produced if all else is identical. But what of the removed neurons what will happen to the consciousness they produce. Or on the other end of the scale what happens when we only have a few neurons functioning left will full consciousness still be produced It would seem not.

More experiments

At each step of these experiments if we lose or start to loose consciousness of the fidentireplica we then start to know what aspects are necessary for consciousness.

Experiments with neurons

A neuron has 20,000 neurons that it might be connected to. It affects twenty thousand neurons. Each neuron that it effects could be connected to only one neuron so that we replace one neuron with 20,000 neurons. Each of these twenty thousand new neurons can by definition be made to function identically to the original neuron. They in turn could be stimulated in a way so that they respond to the same signals that the original neuron is effected by.

What would be the effect on the consciousness of the original when this happens?

Actual foriginals How exact does the individual neurons have to behave to produce this consciousness?

Imagine a fragmented grouping of neurons what consciousness will it produce?

What are all the fragmented groupings of neurons that we can have.

Imagine all possible fragmented groupings of neurons what consciousness will they produce? Imagine all possible functionings of a particular nervous system. What consciousnesses can it produce. Because of its structure it will be limited in what it can produce. As its structure changes it will be able to produce more different paths.

Can we compare this to the monkeys and typewriters writing hamlet in an infinitely amount of time. Hamlet being a particular awarepath monkeys and typewriters being a grouping of randomly firing neurons with in another consciousness system the monkeys

Imagine a total system where every possible neuron and its functioning is produced will every possible awarepath be produced. What if we limit it to every possible functioning

A total system connected. In this system all the neurons are connected in such a way so that all possible types of neurons functionings are produced with in one connected system A total system of neurons not connected the neurons are produced randomly in a device that produces all of the possible functionings that neurons can produce

A neurons can increase in the amount of synapses and how it interconnects through its synapses

Imagine taking a brain and say this neuron represents red from the eye and then this neuron represents a part of the concept of a red dot functioning for a period of time appropriately then we keep finding neurons within different people that have these properties and then we create the neurons that we need to complete the awarepath will we have this consciousness or not It will be a representation of that physipath that produced that particular awarepath

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Levels of the experiment

functioning of the original functioning of the cidentireplica change to the original change to the cidentireplica

As we change the physipath what will be the change to the mentapath awarepath and selfawarepath

Exp set # 1

1. Remove a neuron, keep functioning of the rest of the system the same. 2. The other neuron is functioning and is communicating to the rest of the system. The system as a whole is functioning identically. 3. The neuron exists and functioning exactly the same but there is no connection between the neuron and the system. There is knowledge about the complete experiment and the awarepath, knowlepath etc. being produced. It is not randomly being produced.

4. Comunication and knowledge 5. The system is deliberately produced to function exactly like the original but the neuron is being produced randomly. For instance, within another brain by random chance. 6. The system and the neuron are randomly produced in a random neuron producing device. 7. The system and neuron are produced randomly in naturally occurring brains randomly 8. The system and the neurons are produced deliberately within brains naturally functioning or artificially created.

Exp set # 2 In this case there are more than one neuron is a grouping apart from the system

1. Remove neurons, keep functioning of the rest of the system the same. 2. The other neurons are functioning and communicating to the rest of the system. The system as a whole is functioning identically. 3. The neurons exists and are functioning exactly the same but there is no connection between the neuron and the system. There is knowledge about the complete experiment and the awarepath, knowlepath etc. being produced. It is not randomly being produced 4. The system is deliberately produced to function exactly like the original but the neuron is being produced randomly. For instance, within another brain by random chance. 5. The system and the neuron are randomly produced in a random producing device. 6. The system and neuron are produced randomly in naturally occurring brains randomly 7. The system and the neurons are produced deliberately within brains naturally functioning or artificially created.

Exp set # 3 split brain experiment

In this case the brain is split down the middle

1. Remove lesser system, keep functioning of the rest or greater system the same. 2. The other neuron is functioning and is communicating to the rest of the system. The system as a whole is functioning identically. 3. The neuron exists and functioning exactly the same but there is no connection between the neuron and the system. There is knowledge about the complete experiment and the awarepath, knowlepath etc. being produced. It is not randomly being produced 4. The system is deliberately produced to function exactly like the original but the neuron is being produced randomly. For instance, within another brain by random chance. 5. The system and the neuron are randomly produced in a random producing device. 6. The system and neuron are produced randomly in naturally occurring brains randomly 7. The system and the neurons are produced deliberately within brains naturally functioning or artificially created.

Exp set #

In this case the brain is split along the corpus callosum one side is connected to the right or left hemisphere only and the other contains the rest of the brain.

1. Remove neurons, keep functioning of the rest of the system the same. 2. The other neuron is functioning and is communicating to the rest of the system. The system as a whole is functioning identically. 3. The neuron exists and functioning exactly the same but there is no connection between the neuron and the system. There is knowledge about the complete experiment and the awarepath, knowlepath etc. being produced. It is not randomly being produced 4. The system is deliberately produced to function exactly like the original but the neuron is being produced randomly. For instance, within another brain by random chance. 5. The system and the neuron are randomly produced in a random producing device. 6. The system and neuron are produced randomly in naturally occurring brains randomly 7. The system and the neurons are produced deliberately within brains naturally functioning or artificially created.

Exp set #

In this case there is no system only individual neurons

1. Remove neurons, keep functioning of the rest of the system the same. 2. The other neuron is functioning and is communicating to the rest of the system. The system as a whole is functioning identically. 3. The neuron exists and functioning exactly the same but there is no connection between the neuron and the system. There is knowledge about the complete experiment and the awarepath, knowlepath etc. being produced. It is not randomly being produced 4. The system is deliberately produced to function exactly like the original but the neuron is being produced randomly. For instance, within another brain by random chance. 5. The system and the neuron are randomly produced in a random producing device. 6. The system and neuron are produced randomly in naturally occurring brains randomly 7. The system and the neurons are produced deliberately within brains naturally functioning or artificially created.

Exp set #

We can consider all the above with artificial neurons. Or neurons replacements

Effect on the knowledge system --knowlepath Effect on the awarepath Effect on the mentapath

How do we make a mathematical representation of each of these situations -- experiments?

S stands for the system of neurons

N represents the neurons or set of neurons that are separate from the system.

T is for the topological space G is for the geometrical space P is for the physical laws U, K is for the knowledge system that is generated A is for the awarepath that is generated M is for the mentapath generated

(O,U,S,N,T,G)

This term represents the original O, the universe of physical lawsU, M(O,U,S,N,T,G) == A(O,U,S,N,T,G) == (OU,E,S,T,S

Ori(O,U,E1,D,T,S,C) =M= Ori(O,U,E2,D,T,S,C) Ori(O,U,E1,D,T,S,C) =M= Ori(O,U,E2,D,T,S,C) When terms are identical we can leave them out of the calculation So we can elimate O,U, Ori(E1,D,T,S1,C) =M= Ori(E2,D,T,S2,C) Ori(E1,D,S1,C) =M= Ori(E2,D,S2,C) For these experiments they could have been made of the same matter. They will not completely reside in the same palce. Ori(D,S1,C) =M= Ori(D,S2,C) we have to define S for each experiment Ori(D(G,T),S(B,N),C) =M= Ori(D(G,T),S(B,N),C)

Ori(D(G,T)1,S(B,N)1) =M= Ori(D(G,T)2,S(B,N)2) Since we have removed the other terms they by convention are the same. Is functioning truely the same when structure is difference? This statement or equation states that the original will be mentally equal to itself when the original would havehad structure S(B,N)1 But did have structure S(B,N)2 How do we represent the different aspects of the experiment? Ori(D(G,T)1,S(B,N)1) =M= Ori(D(G,T)2,S(B,N)2)

Me(O,U,E1,D,T,S,C) =/= Aw(O,U,E2,D,T,S,C) This states that the mentapath is not equal to the awarepath.

Ori(O,U,E1,D,T,S,C) =M= Cid(O,U,E2,D,T,S,C) Ori(O,U,E1,D,T,S,C) =M= Cid(O,U,E2,D,T,S,C)

We can do experiments as if it consciousness were knowledge systems. If we say knowledge is always about something (knowledge about something---functioning representation) we can then say that the functioning of the neuron is knowledge about something consider setting up a computer where it processes information just like a neuron. It takes in information like the neuron then it responds. It learns like a neuron so its functioning (how it responds over time to the same information) is changing. It has a set of rules that it follows. This set of rules changes over time as it learns. How does it learn. The synapse over time change so the effect that a neuron receives through a synapse change this is one way of learning. The computer could have a memory to record the functioning of all of the synapse over time to generate a response algorithm that is equivalent to the way that the neuron will function under those circumstances.

What are all the ways a neuron can function over time? It can fire a different speeds It can fire at different speeds over different periods of time. What combination of signals it receives causes it to fire in a certain way. This changes over time as it learns The strenght of the conections change over time the inhibitoring neurons change

What percentage of physipath produce an awarepath? Could it be that the brain is set up so to eliminate static awarepaths (an awarepath that does not correspond to any reality) ? What I mean by this is does every possible brain functioning produce an awarepath? Does the brain cut out nonsensical permutations of functionings during its functioning? Does the sensepath keep the brain functioning along certain lines?

By puting the neurons together in to a conected system that effects each other it helps the system from producing nonsensecal awarepaths.

If a random assortment of neurons not conected can produce consciousness, why do they not add to mine now? A random assortment of neurons should be able to add to my consciousness why do I not experience this change because your functioning produces your consciousness. So where is the consciousnesses that are created with mine and other neurons out side of my brain? The concept of place for a representation of a reality consciousness is not applicable

The consciousness of going back and forth between my brain produced consciousness and the extra consciousness produced but other neurons outside of my consciousness has to have a certain functioning. This functioning will produce the experience of switching. Where as the actual switching will not It will produce a little of one awarepath and then part of another.

Why does it not seem like a blur of all these consciousnesses? Is this a principle of consciousness? This would be within one functioning can be many different consciousness produced? One functioning one consciousness. Where one or more neurons are used in more than one consciousness, there is no bluring there are two consciousness. Maybe there is a new kind of mathematics for dealing with the nature of consciousness. In these situations consciousness does not have a place of existence. It can exist through time and space in one awarepath. It does not have to apply to reality.