Idoriginal related exper/prin
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Idoriginal related
?Continuation of awarepath invariant principles
Orinvariant principles are the changes in the original’s physipath that still produce the same awarepath. Citoinvariant principles are changes that can be made to the cidentireplica’s physipaths with out changing the awarepath that it produces so it still produces an awarepath identical to that of the original. Awarepath invariant principles are principles about originals, idoriginals, and cidentireplicas where aspects of the physipath change but the awarepath stays the same.
The following principles have this relationship: Orinception concerns when you the original is created. Oricreation concerns who or what created the original. Orimodality concerns how the original is created. Oriautochthonality concerns where the cidentireplica comes from. If it make a difference where it comes from. Oricausality deals with why the cidentireplica was created. It does not matter why it was created.
In relationship to the awarepath produced,
Prime condition #1 or pc#1 This condition is that the structure and functioning is identical over the time period of consideration. The essential physipath stays the same for all principles in this chapter.
Orinception Oritime: Age of inception (when)
Question(s): Does it matter, when in the life of the original, he comes into existence, when it comes to the consciousness and ixperiencit that the original produces?
Definition: Orinception is the term for effect that the point in time of creation on the originals physipath has on the originals awarepath.
the original was actually created.
Experiment set #Orinception The experiments dealing with orinception would consider if and how different inception points would effect the consciousness produced. Test of this sort can be carried out with imoriginals. Not every original can be an imoriginal. But we can consider the original repeating sections of the original physipath that comes into existence at different points along the physipath this can be done through convergence With imoriginals same grouping of matter could be used to see if the consciousness is identical. There can be convergence from other physipaths
Prediction(s))/Difference in theories: Identity principle of structure & functioning is: identical structure and functioning produce identical consciousness. Using the basic identity principle of functioning and structure. Since we have identical structure and functioning after this point of inception we will have identical consciousness starting at this point
Proof(s)/supporting evidence: The experience of a previous life that we believe has happened to us is stored in the structure of the brain and is generated with the current functioning of the brain. A previous life is thus not necessary only the correct structures and functions of the body that produce this consciousness.
be would the consciousness be identical for the original if he was created now rather than existing for his perceived previous or actual life time?
Principle of 2.12a Orinception: If the original is created at any time along its designated life (physipath) it will produce the same consciousness from that time on as if it had existed the entire life from the beginning. if the structure and functioning was identical.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you the original were created five minutes ago, rather than existing for your whole life, you would have the same memories, personality ixperiencit etc. that the original had if he had existed his whole life. You would have memories that did not in fact occur to your apparent present body. If your the physipath convergence argument the
Citoinception
Question(s): Does the
Definition: Citoinception is the term that deals with the effect the time of creation of the cidentireplica has on the consciousness produced by the cidentireplica. in the life of the original that the cidentireplica is created has on the consciousness produced by the cidentireplica. Stated in another way what effect does beginning a cidentireplicas physipath at a different point than that of the originals physipath was created have on .
Citoinception deals with when the cidentireplica is created.
Experiment set # Citoinception: experiments with citoinception will test to see if cidentireplicas made at different times in the life of the original will have the same consciousness -- awarepath as the original or other cidentireplicas made at different times. A specific example Does it matter when the cidentireplica is made in relation to the stage in the life of the original? If a cidentireplica(a) is made of an original in 1970 when the original is five years old, and is still a cidentireplica of the original today. And a cidentireplica(b) is made in 1998 of the same original that exists in 1998 will they have the same consciousness? Cidentireplica(a) will have the same consciousness as cidentireplica(b) in a citoinceptional universe. Time (stage) of creation does not effect the identical consciousness of the cidentireplicas. Being a citoinceptional universe does not mean that cidentireplicas will come into existence fully formed ever. But if they did they would have these properties of identical consciousness to the original at that functioning stage in the life of the original.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle 2.12c Citoinception: The time of creation or inception of a cidentireplica in relationship to the life of the original does not effect the identical consciousness produced by the cidentireplica in relation to the original. Cidentireplicas that have this property are called citoinceptional cidentireplicas. A universe where cidentireplicas can be created at different times in the life of the original are called a citoinceptional universe. The identity theory predicts that this is an citoinceptional universe. A citoinceptional cidentireplica does not have to come into physical existence instantaneously because a person does not have to be identical functioning to any particular original through out his life.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you, a cidentireplica, were created at any time, in the life of the original, you would have the full memories etc., at that time in the life of the original. If you were created identically functioning to the original when he was 50 years old, you would believe that you were him and have had a full life identical to what the original remembers in his past life. The original could have existed any time in the past or any time in the future. But you might say that if he existed in the future he must be the cidentireplica and you are in fact the original. If you are a copy of the original when he is 50, and he is the one and only original, existing in the future, and you never existed before, you will be remembering experiences that have not happened yet. And experiences that never happened to you. Or more specifically experiences that the physical body did not experience. A cidentireplica made from you this second would have all the memories that you do. At this minute he would think he was you with all of your previous experiences and if someone told him that he just came into existence this very moment he would not take it any better or differently than you would if you were told the same thing. Imagine someone coming up to you and saying that you are a cidentireplica that was just created of an original you. How would you respond? Whether you are in fact the original or the cidentireplica, you would respond identically. I personally would need much more proof, so would my original or cidentireplica because they will have the same identical behavior and consciousness as I do. Whether they can ever convince me, who knows. But, I would concede the possibility of it. For most people, accepting or rejecting cidentireplica status would always depend on how much you personally have to gain or loose by accepting or rejecting this proposition. In reality, to continue to be a cidentireplica of an original, and know that you are a cidentireplica, would imply that the original had the same consciousness and thinks that he was a cidentireplica when in fact he was not a cidentireplica but the original. The minute that you believed that you were a cidentireplica of an original and the original knew he was not a cidentireplica you would no longer be a cidentireplica of that original because your brains functioning would be different.
Subjectively: you the cidentireplica could have been created at any time in the past like an hour ago. The original’s awarepath, having lived a whole life, and your awarepaths from this time own will be identical, assuming that you have identical essential physipaths from this time on.
Oricreation
Question(s): If you were created by a different means such as; naturally versus deliberately versus accidentally would you have the same consciousness and ixperiencit? If different consciousness beings created you would your consciousness be different awarepath if the essential physipaths
Definition: Oricreation concerns how “who or what” created you, the original, effects the original’s consciousness.
Experiment set # Oricreation: we can do the experiments with imoriginals to test this concept. as the imoriginal goes through cycles of repetition we can have different people, cultures, or things produce the same essential physipath and see what awarepath is produced.
Whether you would have been made naturally or by some advanced civilization you would have had the same consciousness awarepath.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle of Oricreation: It does not matter who or what creates you as a factor alone. What or who produces a consciousness being does not effect the consciousness produced if the essential physipath is unchanged.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you had been made by super beings of a different species rather than made by nature, if your essential physipath were unchanged you would still have the same consciousness or awarepath. --- You would still be reading this sentence thinking the same thoughts.
Citocreation
Question(s): Does who or what that created the cidentireplica alone
Definition: Citocreation deals with what effect “who or what created the cidentireplica” has on the consciousness produced by the cidentireplica in relation to the original consciousness.
Experiment set # Citocreation: If nature produced the original and super scientists produced a cidentireplica of you will the original and cidentireplica have identical consciousnesses? Experiments with citocreation will study this type of question. There are many different who’s or what's that could produce a cidentireplica. Experiments could check any number of possibilities. For instance one set of scientists versus another set of scientists. Or one god versus another god. Of course this could not be tested easily with out the help of the gods involved.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle Citocreation: It does not matter who or what creates the cidentireplica, he will have the same consciousness as the original even if the original was created in a different way. If they have the same essential physipaths.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective experience: If the original was naturally made and the cidentireplica was deliberately made they would have the same consciousness. If you the cidentireplica was made by human on purpose and the original was created randomly by nature you would both be reading this now. If an alien race on the other side of the universe accidently made your physipath and a different race made you on this side of the universe you would still have the same consciousness.
Extoriginals is an extended version of an original but is a shortened version of a imoriginal. They can be used for experiments with oriconcepts. They can repeat certain aspects of original’s functioning.
Orimodality
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Definition: Orimodality is the term for how the original was created. (Variation of way of creation for the original) We usually think that we are created from an egg and sperm developing into a baby then gradually developing into an adult, finally to the point that you are at now. This may not be the only way to get to a specific point on a human physipath. There maybe or can be a machine that puts together molecules into any structure desired.
We can test to see if all the other ways produce the same point in the original awarepath or not. Developmental ways There may be many different developmental ways of creating the original. We can also consider on purpose versus random. Nature can randomly produce a person but there can also be deliberate efforts by conscious beings.
Experiment set # Orimodality: Experiments concerning orimodality will study if the original if produced differently would produce the same awarepath while they are producing the same physipath. We can also do these experiments with imoriginals and extoriginals. This is because the imoriginal can be modified in many different ways but still have the original. The first time can be naturally created the next time can be through physical manipulation where consciousness is continuous as change is applied to the physipath.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
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Principle of Orimodality: It does not matter how the original was created if the functioning and structure stayed the same the consciousness produced would be the same. The original does not have to have the same identical previous physipath to have the same consciousness now. The principle of orimodality means that there are many converging different paths that can produce the same point on a physipath thus an awarepath. You could have gotten to this point in your awarepath many different ways. You can not be certain what path actually produced you deduced from the way you are now consciously or physically. Even in an instantaneous creation there is a path of the how creation but is very short. We do not know all the different paths that can produce a certain point on a physipath thus awarepath. Orimodality and oricreation eliminate the need to consider the distinction of originals idoriginals and cidentireplicas.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you the original were created instantaneously rather than developmentally you would not be aware of a difference in your awarepath nor would there be a difference as long as the functioning and structure stayed the same. If you could have been created a few hours ago through a rapid formation of matter with specific structure and functioning you would still think that you had been around as long as your memories and beliefs lead you to believe.
Citomodality (how)
Question(s): Does changing how the cidentireplica is created change the consciousness and ixperiencit?
Definition: Citomodality means the mode or way to which a cidentireplica is made. Citomodality is the term for how the cidentireplica was created.
No matter how the original was created, the cidentireplica, if it has the essential physipaths are the same will produce the same awarepaths. can be created in many different possible ways.
We can consider several types of development one is instantaneous the other is slower developmental. Then there is cause what caused the creation of this original or cidentireplica. It can be naturally, randomly, accidentally, or intentionally created. Naturally is created by nature. Then we can have intentionally created, intentional and randomly, intentional and accidental. “Intentional and random” is where there is intention in the creation but the creation is a random creation. If it is “accidental intentional” is when it (the physipath) was supposed to be something other than it turned out to be. If we have the situation where all these different ways were created, if the resultant physipath was functionally and structurally identical and continued to function identically then we will have identical consciousness -- awarepaths produced.
Citomode of creation
Means of creation it does not matter how the cidentireplica comes into creation naturally, artificially, recursively, sentiently. It matters what the functioning and structure is. Made by god, or made by nature randomly made by nature with a purpose. Made by super beings, made by one own effort made by ones own effort .
Citocreation deals with who or what created the cidentireplica. Citomodality deals with how the cidentireplica is created. Citoautochthonality is where the cidentireplica comes from. If it make a difference where it comes from.
Citocausality concerns why the cidentireplica was created it does not matter why it was created
Experiment set # Citomodality experiments with cidentireplicas and original where different cidentireplicas are made in different way and the resultant awarepath is studied to see if they are identical.
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories: Citomodality makes the prediction that no matter how you are made, if functioning and structure are the same then consciousness will be the same.
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle of Citomodality: No matter how the original or cidentireplica came into existence, if they have the same structure and functioning --physipath they will have the same consciousness-- awarepath.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If a cidentireplica of you at this moment were made by aliens on the other side of the universe, by accident when they were trying to make something or someone else, this cidentireplica would have your ixperiencit, your consciousness and think it is you and be reading this sentence at this point in its physipath.
Oriautochthonality
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Definition: The word autochthonal means an aboriginal, native, indigenous to a place. An autochthon is a person born where he lives, earliest known inhabitants of a place. This relates to the concept of the originals origins or where the original comes from. Oriautochthonality deals with how, where the original comes from, effects the consciousness produced by the original. This is different from orilocationality because orilocationality deals with where the original is presently at and it effect on the consciousness produced.
Experiment set #Oriautochthonality:
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Principle of Oriautochthonality: where the original comes from or was created does not effect the awarepath produced. Nor does not knowing where the original came from.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you would have been created -- born in a different place like the moon rather than where you were born (or think you were born) as long as pc#1 is currently true you would still be experiencing this same sentence.
Citoautochthonality
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Definition: Citoautochthonality deals with the effect of where the cidentireplica comes from on the consciousness that it produces. Cidentireplicas can be produced in many different places so does this alone effect the consciousness produced?
Experiment set # Citoautochthonality: In this new experiment what we have is two identical looking and functioning bodies (people). From all the information that we have available including psychological and physiological testing and analysis of each body to the atomic level and beyond they are like humans in functioning in every way. We do not know where they came from but we do know that either one is an exact functioning replica (cidentireplica) of the other one. What possible results could we have with this experiment? Without any information as to where the two identically functioning bodies come from, we would not know if they were god made, manmade, or some other way produced, so we would not be able to ascertain if they had a soul or spirit or any other kind of uniqueness. All we know is that we have two identically functioning bodies that look, function and behave like people. Each is by definition an cidentireplica of the other. We do not know what is happening in each of their minds or even if they have one. Since they look and act like people they would be considered people until the time they started to look or behave differently than people. In this experiment we are able to study every physical aspect of these two people. That is the only way that we know that they are functioning identically. What is harder is discerning which one or if any one has a mind and what is on their minds. The results could be that neither one has a mind, one has a mind and the other does not have a mind, or both have a mind. Assuming that they both have a mind, they might only have a part of a mind or a limited mind. We must remember that the only attributes that we can ascribe to the mind and consciousness are the ones that we personally can experience when we look at ourselves from within. We can not ascribe qualities to the mind and consciousness that we do not experience personally, because of consciousnesses subjective nature. What science would tell us about this experiment is that if these two people in the experiment actually functioned, looked, and behaved like people in all physical and behavioral aspects then they should also have the same types of mental aspects (mind and consciousness) that other people have. Since science is usually statistical in nature, and it may also be possible that a body could look and act like a person and not be a person, we will only say that it is probable that both have a mind and consciousness and that the mind and consciousness that is produced is identical. What is the point of the second experiment? When it comes to the mentality or consciousness of a person, the concept of the original is not important. It can have importance for other reasons such ownership of property. Both of these people will consider themselves the original. And we can not tell the difference between the two. Neither one can be considered the carrier of the soul.
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Principle of Citochthonality: As far as consciousness is concerned it does not matter if you are the cidentireplica or the original. It does not matter how you came into existence, naturally your consciousness is as important as the originals.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example:
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Is an original the one that is produced naturally, has the original experiences, or what? It is not inherent in the definition of an original that he comes into existence naturally (Parents, conception, birth, childhood, etc.) nor that he be the first in time. What is inherent in the purpose of the term original is the concept of you. You are the original. Wither you were the first or the only one with your particular consciousness is not the issue it is how your consciousness relates to other consciousness.
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Oricausality
Question(s): Does how the original was or will be produced alone effect the consciousness or ixperiencit produced?
Definition: Oricausality deal with how “Why the original was produced?” effects the consciousness that is generated.-- cause
Experiment set #Oricausality: Some possible whys are: random, for any number of different purposes, to create a specific consciousness We do not know what if any purpose any consciousness was produced for On earth there are two beliefs nature produce people or gods produced people
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
Proof(s)/supporting evidence:
Principle of Oricausality: If the reason for the production of the original would have been different or there was no intentional reason, the consciousness would still be the same, if the structure and functioning was the same. If the reason for production changed the structure and functioning or this principle then there could be a different consciousness produced.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you had been created for a reason rather than naturally for no deliberate reason you would still have the same consciousness or awarepath as you do now
Citocausality
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Definition: Citocausality deal with how “Why the cidentireplica was produced?” effects the consciousness that is generated.
Experiment set #Citocausality:
Prediction(s)/Difference in theories:
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Principle of Oricausality: the cause of the production of the cidentireplica will not change the fact that it will still produce the awarepath of the original.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: you could be a cidentireplica of the original produced deliberately by some higher conscious society for a reason like studying your consciousness specifically and human consciousness generally. And if you were you would have the same consciousness as the original that was created naturally on earth.
Orierudition
Questions: 1. Does not knowing where the original or cidentireplica came from effect the consciousness produced? 2. Does not knowing who or what produced the originals or cidentireplica effect the consciousness produced? 3. Does not knowing how the originals or cidentireplica was produced effect the consciousness produced? 4. Does not knowing when the originals or cidentireplica was produced effect the consciousness produced? 5. Does not knowing why the originals or cidentireplica was produced effect the consciousness produced?
Definition: Orierudition deals with how knowledge about the original such as who, what, where, when, how, and why the original is produced effects the consciousness or awarepath produced by the original.
Experiment set #Orierudition:
Knowing something, or not knowing something, or knowing something different, effects the structure of the brain how functions. These experiments are not about what the original knows but with the external objective facts of where, what, how, when, and why of the original’s existence.
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Principle of Orierudition Unless the knowledge effects how the original functions (the physipath of the original) there will be no effect on the awarepath of the original.
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you the original are made in another galaxy (where), by an alien race (who), In a machine that can arrange matter in any desired way (how), in the far distance past (when), for the purpose of understanding other conscious beings (why), but did not know it, would this effect the consciousness that you experience or the ixperiencit? No as long as the structure and functioning of your body was the same you would be experiencing reading this sentence just like you are now
Citoerudition
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Definition: Citoerudition deals with how knowledge about the cidentireplica effects the consciousness of the cidentireplica.
Experiment set #Citoerudition:
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Principle of Citoerudition:
Type of immortality /Difference in theories: SST, CST, NST, SMT, MMT: SST: CST: NST: SMT: MMT:
Subjective (ixperiencit) example: If you knew that you were a cidentireplica would that effect your consciousness? Yes it would? Would it make it different from the original not if the original has the same functioning and structure as the cidentireplica the original would think that he was a cidentireplica also.