Part 4 ch1 immortality2

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Can a condition of immortality be undecidable actually all conditions of immortalities are undeciabalbe unless defined as such. It has to be a necessary condition of the multiuniverse that you are immortal other wise conditions can change so that you can never exist again what conditions would be necessary to allow a version of somes consciousness to always have the possibility to exist. Cyclic conditions where there is the possibility for a consciousness to exist periodically there could also be conditions that continuously conducive to producing consciousnesses.

It seems that conscious beings if they want to perpetuate themselves -- their consciousnesses. Would wnat to produce conditions in the universe that help produce and perpetuate consciousness.

Conditions for immortality

What conditions would need to be achieved to say that someone is immortal and which ones are not cases of immortality?

The clear case of immortality is one where there is one person’s continuous consciousness in a continuous body forever -- for an unending period of time. What modifications can we make to these four conditions where we can still call it immortality? The definition of one person is very vague because what is one person? It is defined as a body over time. The same person does not need to have by definition a continuation of the same consciousness. He could be in a coma with no consciousness at all or radically different one due to some major changes to how the brain works.

Continuous body. Continuous consciousness for ever you experience this continuous consciousness A level of consciousness that is not two much lower than it is now It can be at a higher level consciousness

What is your immortality form the view point of others. A finite person can imagine another person being immortal but to actually experience it he would need to be immortal as well. Can a finite length awarepath appear to be infinitely long to the individual original? What would it take for a person to think that he is immortal? An array of memories that he thinks is infinitely long, a theory of personal immortality that is logical and consistent with reality with empirical proof

Minimal necessary conditions for immortality for the original (you).

1. That you experience something 2. At any point in time there will be a later time where you will experience something 3. What you experience will be no less than a minimal consciousness.

Maximal immortality

1. You experience everything that you can experience 2. All possible experiences that you can experience happen at one time. 3. All possible levels of consciousness you are experiencing

Necessary conditions for immortality

1. There is no time where there after you will never experience anything again. There is always a period of time in the future where you will experience something again. Is there a minimum amount that one has to experience to actually be considered immortal. If we consider infinities versus finites if we have a finite awarepath and cut it up into pieces either there has to be an infinite amount of time between each piece or each piece has to be infinitely small. The proof of this is a mathematical proof. If time is infinite we need an infinitely long awarepath for immortality to exist for this person but it can have any finite length of time between pieces so that we can have a fraction of the original infinite.

If there is infinite amount of time between the production of parts of an awarepath, is this still immortality? Because there is no end we can not put the finite awarepath at the end of time. We can only put parts of the awarepath spaced through out time. A finite awarepath spaced over infinite time with finite length periods of time between the sections of will make the sections infinitely small. If a physipath section is small enough it can not add to the awarepath.

The concept of the body is just part of the consciousness that is being produced. Continuation of a particular body is just an aspect of the consciousness that is being produced. If this concept of the body changes we can still have a continuation of the same consciousness but with the sensepath changed.

If you die does this mean that you can not longer be immortal? The definitions of immortality and survival of death can be argued over.

Death means that the body that you believed is producing your consciousness does no longer produce that consciousness. Death means that the body that produced your consciousness no longer can produce that consciousness. In this definition certain comas etc would be considered death even though the body is still alive

Do we really need a continuous body for immortality? We do not need a continuous body for consciousness?

The key to survival is that you have to be experiencing something. But this of course leaves the problem of what you are and what is the minimum that you can experience. Your sensepath can provide no stimulation at all and you can still be experiencing something because your brain is still functioning and producing a consciousness and experiencing something.

There will be how much you experience what you experience determining if you are actually surviving again

Other people thinking you are alive and behaving normally is not a sufficient condition for survival of death or immortality because just because a body externally behaves in a certain way does not means that it has the same consciousness that the original did.

Is having the potential to experience consciousness immortality, if from your perspective you do not know if you will or not exist again?

If intermittent consciousness through time not immortality what is the definition for it. Intermittent immortality is better than never being conscious again. Does immortality have to appear continuous to itself. Is a repeating consciousness that never ends immortality such as your present life. Is a repeating life that is different each time but you experiencing it immortality? If time can pass between these repeats how much time can before it is not immortality? If you are not aware of any time passing between times that you are conscious is this immortality? If you are aware that time has past

Does the amount that you experience determine immortality? What if it is not fully your consciousness like a consciousness half way between you and some one that is clearly not you? It will clearly de survival for this consciousness.

Does the way that the immortality is created as in god, man, super humans, other consciousness beings,alien life forms, nature etc, effect the immortality status

Does it have to be in this universe or region of space?

Is immortality only if it exists in heaven or hell.

Should we call it immortality if it is produced by awarepaducers like isoidentireplicas and fidentireplicas?

Does it count if your consciousness is produced by way of fidentireplicas or isoidentireplicas?

Can immortality be produced by fidentireplicas or isoidentireplicas? If survival can be created this way then can it create immortality as well. For immortality to exist does it ever have to be directly connected to reality, or can the awarepath always be produced with in an awarepaducer that is not connected to reality.

How does having numerous version of your consciousness existing at a time effect immortality. Does interrelation between the different versions of your consciousness effect immortality? Does the fact that the different versions of you keep producing different version of you effect immortality?

If you could save your future self by what you do today would you do this? Because you might just as well do something for other versions of your self, especially versions that have an understanding of what is going on with you and different versions of you or specifically you may want to create versions of your self that are superior to your self.

Antitheory antiproof

There is the concept that the particular matter of the body is actually experiencing the consciousness that it produces and only that matter can experience that consciousness so another batch of matter can not experience it. The matter is thus unique the counter argument to this is that matter is always being exchanged in the body with new matter is a specific grouping of matter was necessary then as the matter is exchanged there would be a new person experiencing this