A Materialist Model of Christian Resurrection comparison with superimmortality

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A Materialist Model of Christian Resurrection https://cct.biola.edu/materialist-model-christian-resurrection-opening-statement/ https://www3.nd.edu/~jspeaks/courses/2006-7/20208/baker-constitution-resurrection.pdf

Points of agreement:

  1. Both the "Materialist Model of Christian Resurrection" and superimmortality agree that no souls exist, or are needed for conscious life after death for the original. In this sense they are materialistic.
  2. It is possible to have conscious existence for the original in another body different from the original's body after the death of the original's body.
  3. There is a physical body that is needed to produce a person / consciousness and ixperiencitness.

Points of disagreement:

  1. Superimmortality is not based on any religion or supernatural concepts or processes like gods, miracles or resurrection.
  2. Lynne Rudder Baker model of resurrection tries to uniquely tie one body before death to one body after death. Superimmortality actually ties together bodies by way of having the same ixperiencitness or not having the same ixperiencitness.
  3. Animals have an ixperiencitness. The ixperiencitness is a continuum concept thus there can be different levels of ixperiencitness as well as differences in the ixperiencitness.
  4. The first person perspective is different from Ixperiencitness. One does not have to have a first person perspective to have an ixperiencitness. You can be conscious without having a "self" that, that consciousness is a part of.
  5. According to superimmortality many different bodies can produce the same first person perspective.
  6. Identical and closely identical physapaths will produce identical first person perspectives and ixperiencitnesses. There is no guarantee that a body that produces the same identical "first person perspective" will have the same ixperiencitness. If you do not experience a consciousness produced by a different body it is not a case of life after death for you. How is the first person perspective studied? It is observed by the behavior that the body produces or the behaviorpath.
  7. The science of superimmortality predicts that the concepts of persistence, continuance, or continuity are not necessary for a different body to produce the same ixperiencitness.
  8. Superimmortality requires no miracles by one or more gods to produce life after death as does the "Materialist Model of Christian Resurrection".
  9. There is no heaven, hell, or after world with different kinds of bodies as Dr Baker proposes. Your consciousness after death is produced in this world by the production of one of the many different physapaths that will produce a consciousness that you experience.
  10. Any person's conscious life is repeatable by repeating the structure and functioning that produced that conscious life to being with in another body.
  11. Any person's conscious life is modifiable by repeating, with changes to the structure and functioning that produced that conscious life to being with in another body.
  12. Versions of a persons


Superimmortality

  1. You (singular) are the conscious that a body produces by way of how it is structured and then functions.
  2. You (plural) are the consciousnesses that bodies produce by way of how they are structured and then function over time.
  3. You at any moment are all of the consciousnesses that you actually experience at that moment.
  4. You over all time are all of the consciousnesses that you experience over all of time.
  5. The Potential you are all of the consciousnesses that you can experience over all time but did not experience because the structure and functioning of matter that would have produced them were not ever created.

The science of superimmortality defines "sameness of the person" not as sameness of a body but as sameness of the structure and functioning of bodies as defined at each point in the person life.


Quotes from Baker's article:

“Constitution is a relation intermediate between identity and separate existence.

. . . According to the Constitution View, the relation between a human person and her body is exactly the same as the relation between a statue and the piece of marble that makes it up, or between a river and all the aggregates of molecules that make it up. . . . The underlying idea of the general relation of constitution is this: when a thing of a certain kind is in certain circumstances, then a new thing of a different kind comes into being. For example, when a piece of plastic of a certain kind is imprinted in a certain way during a government-sanctioned process, then a new thing, an Australian twenty-dollar bill, comes into existence.”


In this quote Baker is making an assertion that the resurrected body is not the exact same thing as a body on earth before death.

"Much of what Scripture says about resurrection bodies is metaphorical, but the metaphors support the idea that a resurrection body is distinct from an earthly body. Consider the following passages. First, I Cor. 15
What you sow is a seed or a bare kernel, but the seed is not the body that is to be; “I tell you this, brethren, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”"


Superimmortality requires no gods for the recreation of an ixperiencitness.

"God can bring about resurrection on this materialist model simply by willing it. On a traditional view, God knows all contingent truths by willing them. Whether or not a particular person exists is contingent, as is what body constitutes her. So, there are no metaphysical constraints on God’s willing a person to be resurrected. What is not contingent is that the person have a first-person perspective. God knows by his natural knowledge that anyone He resurrects has a first-person perspective. So if God wills Smith, say, to be resurrected, He thereby wills that the first-person perspective continue to be exemplified by Smith. Finally, the negative element of the model—no souls—requires nothing from God, because souls are just otiose. In the resurrection, as on earth, what we care about are whole embodied persons."


See also IPhone/ song analogy for superimmortality, Song analogy for superimmortality